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	<title>Comments on: Falcon 9 test vehicle destroyed in accident</title>
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		<title>By: Dick Eagleson</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2014/08/23/falcon-9-test-vehicle-destroyed-in-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-1600333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Eagleson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian,

Not absolutely certain of this, but my best guess is that, with sufficient fuel on board to leave enough remaining to simulate what the residual fuel level would be on a real re-entry, a single-engined Grasshopper 2 vehicle probably either couldn&#039;t get itself off the ground or couldn&#039;t reach the high altitudes SpaceX is cleared to test at in New Mexico.  Three engines preserves balanced thrust and gives enough performance to get the vehicle up high fast enough to make these planned high-altitude tests possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Not absolutely certain of this, but my best guess is that, with sufficient fuel on board to leave enough remaining to simulate what the residual fuel level would be on a real re-entry, a single-engined Grasshopper 2 vehicle probably either couldn&#8217;t get itself off the ground or couldn&#8217;t reach the high altitudes SpaceX is cleared to test at in New Mexico.  Three engines preserves balanced thrust and gives enough performance to get the vehicle up high fast enough to make these planned high-altitude tests possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2014/08/23/falcon-9-test-vehicle-destroyed-in-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-1594317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 01:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For pity&#039;s sake, it&#039;s a TEST vehicle.  They&#039;re pushing the limits in their program a la Shotwell.  This is why you run a test program, to see what breaks.  Test like you fly, fly like you test is well known.

Just &#039;cause no one else is testing like SpaceX doesn&#039;t mean there&#039;s any inherent problems with their design.  Historically, the first few launches of a new vehicle are the most likely to break.  SpaceX has had basically 2 new vehicles: F9v1.0 and F9v1.1, both of which have performed exceptionally well.  There&#039;s no basic issues with any of their design, manufacturing or operations.  They would have shown up by now.  There has been the odd off-spec item resolved before flight which is also pretty typical of launch vehicles.

For info&#039;, there&#039;s been a delay on the next F9 flight of one day just to be sure that what happened is unrelated to their operational vehicles.  SpaceX have a conservative approach to their business, pretty much like others.  So far they haven&#039;t screwed up like Soyuz and ESA resently did.

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For pity&#8217;s sake, it&#8217;s a TEST vehicle.  They&#8217;re pushing the limits in their program a la Shotwell.  This is why you run a test program, to see what breaks.  Test like you fly, fly like you test is well known.</p>
<p>Just &#8217;cause no one else is testing like SpaceX doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s any inherent problems with their design.  Historically, the first few launches of a new vehicle are the most likely to break.  SpaceX has had basically 2 new vehicles: F9v1.0 and F9v1.1, both of which have performed exceptionally well.  There&#8217;s no basic issues with any of their design, manufacturing or operations.  They would have shown up by now.  There has been the odd off-spec item resolved before flight which is also pretty typical of launch vehicles.</p>
<p>For info&#8217;, there&#8217;s been a delay on the next F9 flight of one day just to be sure that what happened is unrelated to their operational vehicles.  SpaceX have a conservative approach to their business, pretty much like others.  So far they haven&#8217;t screwed up like Soyuz and ESA resently did.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2014/08/23/falcon-9-test-vehicle-destroyed-in-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-1591145</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fortunately this accident happened when SpaceX wasn&#039;t launching a billion dollar military payload.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately this accident happened when SpaceX wasn&#8217;t launching a billion dollar military payload.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Salt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Salt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I already noted, flight termination is usually related to thrust and typically involves shutting down the engines. Only solids require an explosive device stop them thrusting, which is what happened on Challenger, because liquids can normally be shut-down by simply closing a valve(s).

This is why I think the explosion here was an unexpected secondary effect of the flight termination, most likely due to due to propellant being dumped too close to an ignition source... something I&#039;ve witnessed first-hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I already noted, flight termination is usually related to thrust and typically involves shutting down the engines. Only solids require an explosive device stop them thrusting, which is what happened on Challenger, because liquids can normally be shut-down by simply closing a valve(s).</p>
<p>This is why I think the explosion here was an unexpected secondary effect of the flight termination, most likely due to due to propellant being dumped too close to an ignition source&#8230; something I&#8217;ve witnessed first-hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Better this happen during testing than a &quot;live&quot; mission with client cargo and or people. Space X will I&#039;m sure regroup, assess, learn, implement change, (if needed)and move on to push the envelope elsewhere. I love rocket science!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better this happen during testing than a &#8220;live&#8221; mission with client cargo and or people. Space X will I&#8217;m sure regroup, assess, learn, implement change, (if needed)and move on to push the envelope elsewhere. I love rocket science!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2014 00:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[F9 uses three engines for the initial reentry burn, then one engine for landing (as I recall). It would make sense for F9R to have three engines if they planned to do high altitude, high speed tests, as they previous said they would. Which is why they planned to do later flights in New Mexico, since they are limited in how high they can fly from Mcgregor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F9 uses three engines for the initial reentry burn, then one engine for landing (as I recall). It would make sense for F9R to have three engines if they planned to do high altitude, high speed tests, as they previous said they would. Which is why they planned to do later flights in New Mexico, since they are limited in how high they can fly from Mcgregor.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This test article was DeV1 or grasshopper 2 I believe, not the original one engine grasshopper. A bit more spendy, it had three engines and the new legs, if I remember correctly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This test article was DeV1 or grasshopper 2 I believe, not the original one engine grasshopper. A bit more spendy, it had three engines and the new legs, if I remember correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was a new 3 engine configuration F9R. I&#039;ve not heard of this before. Why are they going with 3 engines now? Was the single engine not enough thrust or what? 
Any way this is not a big deal. Break them eggs!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a new 3 engine configuration F9R. I&#8217;ve not heard of this before. Why are they going with 3 engines now? Was the single engine not enough thrust or what?<br />
Any way this is not a big deal. Break them eggs!!</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, anybody pointing to the word automatically and questioning my reading comprehension doesn&#039;t understand software.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, anybody pointing to the word automatically and questioning my reading comprehension doesn&#8217;t understand software.</p>
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		<title>By: ken anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 18:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does everyone here have a reading comprehension problem (with exceptions that know who they are.) This was not a spectacular failure...

&lt;i&gt;the flight termination system automatically terminated the mission&lt;/i&gt;

They blew it up for safety reasons on purpose. It did not blow up on it&#039;s own. That&#039;s why NASA requires them to carry explosives on launches for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does everyone here have a reading comprehension problem (with exceptions that know who they are.) This was not a spectacular failure&#8230;</p>
<p><i>the flight termination system automatically terminated the mission</i></p>
<p>They blew it up for safety reasons on purpose. It did not blow up on it&#8217;s own. That&#8217;s why NASA requires them to carry explosives on launches for them.</p>
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