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	<title>Comments on: SpaceX preps Falcon 9R for flight</title>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2014/04/03/spacex-preps-falcon-9r-for-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-1330659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Public mandate:  
I would suggest none and it&#039;s not a public mandate unless all you&#039;re considering is that the SpaceX internal mission is in the public arena.  

Current and future customers:  
Look only at capability, reliability and price.  These factors would be ranked according to the customer&#039;s internal risk ratings.

Workforce:
As a means of attracting a talented workforce, then I&#039;d agree that this is a factor for some but not all.  Some would simply be there for the engineering challenge, not necessarily because of the long-term vision.

Funding:
Doubtful.  Most funding is internal, some venture capital or via existing customers.

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public mandate:<br />
I would suggest none and it&#8217;s not a public mandate unless all you&#8217;re considering is that the SpaceX internal mission is in the public arena.  </p>
<p>Current and future customers:<br />
Look only at capability, reliability and price.  These factors would be ranked according to the customer&#8217;s internal risk ratings.</p>
<p>Workforce:<br />
As a means of attracting a talented workforce, then I&#8217;d agree that this is a factor for some but not all.  Some would simply be there for the engineering challenge, not necessarily because of the long-term vision.</p>
<p>Funding:<br />
Doubtful.  Most funding is internal, some venture capital or via existing customers.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Boulet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Boulet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder to what extent having a public mandate of making humanity multiplanetary contributes to SpaceX&#039;s formidable mindshare, which in turn leads to interested customers and a full launch manifest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder to what extent having a public mandate of making humanity multiplanetary contributes to SpaceX&#8217;s formidable mindshare, which in turn leads to interested customers and a full launch manifest.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2014/04/03/spacex-preps-falcon-9r-for-flight/comment-page-1/#comment-1330633</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 01:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So far the following are known facts:
1.  SpaceX came very close to a successful soft landing on their first attempt.
2.  Their next flight CRS-3, has been modified to counter the vehicle spin that caused the first failure using both RCS and legs.
3.  Continued testing via GH of landing control software and legs.
4.  A number of flights available this year (2014) for continued real testing.  Something like 8 or 9.
5.  They&#039;ve been working on the regulatory obstacles surrounding land landings for several years now.

Now extapolations based on the above:
1.  No known obstacles have appeared in the testing regime other than the spin issue which I&#039;m assuming has been characterised and solved.
2.  Even if they get behind on their manifest, they will still have a number of available flights for continued attempts.
3.  Land test late this year (my prediction but I&#039;m an optimist and a SpaceX fan) and I agree, it&#039;s gotta be during the day for posterity.

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far the following are known facts:<br />
1.  SpaceX came very close to a successful soft landing on their first attempt.<br />
2.  Their next flight CRS-3, has been modified to counter the vehicle spin that caused the first failure using both RCS and legs.<br />
3.  Continued testing via GH of landing control software and legs.<br />
4.  A number of flights available this year (2014) for continued real testing.  Something like 8 or 9.<br />
5.  They&#8217;ve been working on the regulatory obstacles surrounding land landings for several years now.</p>
<p>Now extapolations based on the above:<br />
1.  No known obstacles have appeared in the testing regime other than the spin issue which I&#8217;m assuming has been characterised and solved.<br />
2.  Even if they get behind on their manifest, they will still have a number of available flights for continued attempts.<br />
3.  Land test late this year (my prediction but I&#8217;m an optimist and a SpaceX fan) and I agree, it&#8217;s gotta be during the day for posterity.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Shipley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2014 01:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes it will be interesting.  

Possible reactions as I see it available to competing governement and commercial entities:  attempt to compete by moving into R&amp;D of reusables and new vehicles/engines or attempt political protectionism or some mix of both.

We can already see ESA taking the former stance while ULA is taking a govenment protectionist position.  Japan, China, Russia and India will I predict simply maintain the status quo as government programs and not attempt to compete or quite possibly a mixed approach.  

Personally I believe that if SpaceX is successful with even 1st stage reusables for F9 and FH, then they will own most of the commercial market.  No one else will be able to come close to matching their pricing.  This of course assumes no major setbacks and continuing demonstration of vehicle reliability.

Of note is that the timelines being considered are no doubt likely to extend both for SpaceX and ESA since they are the only ones currently reacting to the SpaceX threat.  It is interesting to observe that it would appear that SpaceX competitors have left their run very late.  They probably have more resources however less focus.  SpaceX probably has less resources however they have a high degree of focus and adaptability to changing circumstances.  

Of further note is that building market share for SpaceX is not simply about profitability but about fulfilling the company&#039;s mission:  to help make humanity a space faring civilisation.  No other company in the business is driven by this ideal.  In fact no government agency is either.  

A final comment.  IIRC Elon has stated that he would prefer a private/public partnership for his Mars objective.  So far that doesn&#039;t seem very likely however should it look like SpaceX could achieve this without government aid, I believe you&#039;d see one or more countries putting their hands up to be involved.  Just an opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it will be interesting.  </p>
<p>Possible reactions as I see it available to competing governement and commercial entities:  attempt to compete by moving into R&amp;D of reusables and new vehicles/engines or attempt political protectionism or some mix of both.</p>
<p>We can already see ESA taking the former stance while ULA is taking a govenment protectionist position.  Japan, China, Russia and India will I predict simply maintain the status quo as government programs and not attempt to compete or quite possibly a mixed approach.  </p>
<p>Personally I believe that if SpaceX is successful with even 1st stage reusables for F9 and FH, then they will own most of the commercial market.  No one else will be able to come close to matching their pricing.  This of course assumes no major setbacks and continuing demonstration of vehicle reliability.</p>
<p>Of note is that the timelines being considered are no doubt likely to extend both for SpaceX and ESA since they are the only ones currently reacting to the SpaceX threat.  It is interesting to observe that it would appear that SpaceX competitors have left their run very late.  They probably have more resources however less focus.  SpaceX probably has less resources however they have a high degree of focus and adaptability to changing circumstances.  </p>
<p>Of further note is that building market share for SpaceX is not simply about profitability but about fulfilling the company&#8217;s mission:  to help make humanity a space faring civilisation.  No other company in the business is driven by this ideal.  In fact no government agency is either.  </p>
<p>A final comment.  IIRC Elon has stated that he would prefer a private/public partnership for his Mars objective.  So far that doesn&#8217;t seem very likely however should it look like SpaceX could achieve this without government aid, I believe you&#8217;d see one or more countries putting their hands up to be involved.  Just an opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Warburton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Warburton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 17:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even more interesting will be everyone else`s reactions. Will the naysayers come up with some case which states that it has been done before or be finally won over? Will ULA begin to work on their own version of reusability or will they continue to say that the important thing is being reliable and that it isn`t that important? Will the europeans continue working toward Ariane 6 or will DLR put their foot down and refuse any attempt to go ahead with Ariane 6 and develop their own reusable launcher or will they sink more money into Reactionengines? Will the Russians begin to develop their own reusable launchers or will they ignore what SpaceX is doing? The reactions around the world will be something to watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even more interesting will be everyone else`s reactions. Will the naysayers come up with some case which states that it has been done before or be finally won over? Will ULA begin to work on their own version of reusability or will they continue to say that the important thing is being reliable and that it isn`t that important? Will the europeans continue working toward Ariane 6 or will DLR put their foot down and refuse any attempt to go ahead with Ariane 6 and develop their own reusable launcher or will they sink more money into Reactionengines? Will the Russians begin to develop their own reusable launchers or will they ignore what SpaceX is doing? The reactions around the world will be something to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Kees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t take SpaceX&#039;s talk of timelines seriously until it gets inside the 9 month window. Anything around a year or more is subject to massive change...but...when they say they&#039;re going to do something within a year&#039;s time, I start paying attention.

Shotwell is taking an interesting rhetorical line here- the implicit expression of confidence with a statement about land-based recovery in 2014 contrasted with a reminder of  task&#039;s difficulty. This is language one uses when your organization is very confident they&#039;ll be successful but because you haven&#039;t done it yet, you need to publicly project a bit of modesty.

I&#039;m predicting 2nd half of 2015...and -here&#039;s the nuance- I&#039;m predicting it&#039;ll land in the daylight. The reason is that a return to a landing pad will be heralded as a historic advancement in rocketry and in order to &lt;i&gt; look &lt;/i&gt; historic, you need video and proper video of an event like this will only be possible in regular daylight. 

So between this and bands launching orbiting satellites to unlock music on iPhones, it continues to be interesting watching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t take SpaceX&#8217;s talk of timelines seriously until it gets inside the 9 month window. Anything around a year or more is subject to massive change&#8230;but&#8230;when they say they&#8217;re going to do something within a year&#8217;s time, I start paying attention.</p>
<p>Shotwell is taking an interesting rhetorical line here- the implicit expression of confidence with a statement about land-based recovery in 2014 contrasted with a reminder of  task&#8217;s difficulty. This is language one uses when your organization is very confident they&#8217;ll be successful but because you haven&#8217;t done it yet, you need to publicly project a bit of modesty.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m predicting 2nd half of 2015&#8230;and -here&#8217;s the nuance- I&#8217;m predicting it&#8217;ll land in the daylight. The reason is that a return to a landing pad will be heralded as a historic advancement in rocketry and in order to <i> look </i> historic, you need video and proper video of an event like this will only be possible in regular daylight. </p>
<p>So between this and bands launching orbiting satellites to unlock music on iPhones, it continues to be interesting watching.</p>
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