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		<title>By: Stephanie Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, Ron, but you&#039;re also wrong.

The &quot;flying bedstead&quot; you&#039;re talking about was in fact a completely unsafe lunar landing trainer known as the LLRTV. In effect it was four landing pads, a seat and two Pratt &amp; Whitney jet engines pointed straight down with enough fuel for about 10-15 minutes of flight. Any such VTOLV (Vertical Take-Off &amp; Landing Vehicle) such as this awkward and badly thought out design must be kept in more-or-less a straight up and down alignment. If it pitches more than 5 degrees in vertical alignment then it becomes impossible to recover from no matter how good a pilot you are and Neil was one of the best that ever lived. That day, the starboard (right-as the pilot sits, which was in front of the engines) lost thrust and the vehicle began to pitch beyond the 5 degree mark. Neil was only 60 feet off the ground and with alarm bells going off all over the place (engine warnings and pitch-angle stall warnings), Neil calmly reached over his and pulled the ejection seat handles, which popped him about 30 feet away from the spider-looking vehicle and then floated to the ground some 100 feet from the huge explosion the LLRTV made when it hit the ground.

In no way was the LLRTV part of any piece of the actual working hardware in the Apollo spacecraft, so in that point, you&#039;re dead wrong.

However, during the &quot;plugs out&quot; test of Apollo 1 on Pad 34 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (plugs out refers to no wiring or umbilical tied to the spacecraft to test the APU&#039;s and radio, life support systems, etc.), Mission Commander Gus Grissom was becoming quite angry that the radio couldn&#039;t even reach the blockhouse when Astronaut Roger Chaffee yelled, &quot;Fire!&quot; over the radio and within a few seconds, all three Astronauts, Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Ed White (the first American to walk in space during the Gemini program) were dead and the investigation found that an access compartment under the seats where a thinly insulated flat wire bundle was attached to the door had been opened enough times that it wore off the insulation so during the test, they had ramped up the pressure in the capsule to 22 PSI (pounds per square inch) to simulate the outward pressure the capsule seals would be exposed to in space (and it was pure oxygen), the wiring sparked and when it hit the pure oxygen it followed all the Velcro through the capsule and ignited the entire pure oxygen atmosphere. The Astronauts were actually dead in 15 seconds from asphyxiation. The capsule itself literally blew apart and since they had removed explosive hatches from all capsules, ironically, since Gus Grissom almost drowned in Liberty Bell 7, his first flight in a Mercury-Redstone suborbital mission in 1961, the men had no way to quickly egress the spacecraft and save their lives.

The man who recommended to remove those explosive hatches after Grissom&#039;s unfortunate accident was one of the men assigned to disassemble Apollo 1 and told Astronaut Frank Borman that he wished he had never told NASA to do away with those hatches. He said it was the worst case of irony he had ever heard of in real life and he was never a big fan of irony and then he burst into tears.

Now that, my friend, was a failure of the Apollo hardware, but there was never one malfunction in the rest of the program that the astronauts couldn&#039;t overcome, even Apollo 13, which to this day was NASA&#039;s most shining moment when it could have been it&#039;s worst nightmare.

The Saturn V booster (which should never have been retired and if it was still in service today we wouldn&#039;t be in the mess we&#039;re in today) never had a failure that caused it to not reach 100% of it&#039;s mission&#039;s objectives. It remains to this day the most reliable booster ever designed, constructed and launched and damn sure was the most impressive I&#039;ve ever seen in my life.

I was born and raised in Cocoa Beach, Florida in 1955 so I&#039;ve seen the space program almost from the beginning and it grew up as I did and I&#039;m proud to have lived long enough to have seen the things I did, met the Astronauts that I have and remember the things that I do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Ron, but you&#8217;re also wrong.</p>
<p>The &#8220;flying bedstead&#8221; you&#8217;re talking about was in fact a completely unsafe lunar landing trainer known as the LLRTV. In effect it was four landing pads, a seat and two Pratt &amp; Whitney jet engines pointed straight down with enough fuel for about 10-15 minutes of flight. Any such VTOLV (Vertical Take-Off &amp; Landing Vehicle) such as this awkward and badly thought out design must be kept in more-or-less a straight up and down alignment. If it pitches more than 5 degrees in vertical alignment then it becomes impossible to recover from no matter how good a pilot you are and Neil was one of the best that ever lived. That day, the starboard (right-as the pilot sits, which was in front of the engines) lost thrust and the vehicle began to pitch beyond the 5 degree mark. Neil was only 60 feet off the ground and with alarm bells going off all over the place (engine warnings and pitch-angle stall warnings), Neil calmly reached over his and pulled the ejection seat handles, which popped him about 30 feet away from the spider-looking vehicle and then floated to the ground some 100 feet from the huge explosion the LLRTV made when it hit the ground.</p>
<p>In no way was the LLRTV part of any piece of the actual working hardware in the Apollo spacecraft, so in that point, you&#8217;re dead wrong.</p>
<p>However, during the &#8220;plugs out&#8221; test of Apollo 1 on Pad 34 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (plugs out refers to no wiring or umbilical tied to the spacecraft to test the APU&#8217;s and radio, life support systems, etc.), Mission Commander Gus Grissom was becoming quite angry that the radio couldn&#8217;t even reach the blockhouse when Astronaut Roger Chaffee yelled, &#8220;Fire!&#8221; over the radio and within a few seconds, all three Astronauts, Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Ed White (the first American to walk in space during the Gemini program) were dead and the investigation found that an access compartment under the seats where a thinly insulated flat wire bundle was attached to the door had been opened enough times that it wore off the insulation so during the test, they had ramped up the pressure in the capsule to 22 PSI (pounds per square inch) to simulate the outward pressure the capsule seals would be exposed to in space (and it was pure oxygen), the wiring sparked and when it hit the pure oxygen it followed all the Velcro through the capsule and ignited the entire pure oxygen atmosphere. The Astronauts were actually dead in 15 seconds from asphyxiation. The capsule itself literally blew apart and since they had removed explosive hatches from all capsules, ironically, since Gus Grissom almost drowned in Liberty Bell 7, his first flight in a Mercury-Redstone suborbital mission in 1961, the men had no way to quickly egress the spacecraft and save their lives.</p>
<p>The man who recommended to remove those explosive hatches after Grissom&#8217;s unfortunate accident was one of the men assigned to disassemble Apollo 1 and told Astronaut Frank Borman that he wished he had never told NASA to do away with those hatches. He said it was the worst case of irony he had ever heard of in real life and he was never a big fan of irony and then he burst into tears.</p>
<p>Now that, my friend, was a failure of the Apollo hardware, but there was never one malfunction in the rest of the program that the astronauts couldn&#8217;t overcome, even Apollo 13, which to this day was NASA&#8217;s most shining moment when it could have been it&#8217;s worst nightmare.</p>
<p>The Saturn V booster (which should never have been retired and if it was still in service today we wouldn&#8217;t be in the mess we&#8217;re in today) never had a failure that caused it to not reach 100% of it&#8217;s mission&#8217;s objectives. It remains to this day the most reliable booster ever designed, constructed and launched and damn sure was the most impressive I&#8217;ve ever seen in my life.</p>
<p>I was born and raised in Cocoa Beach, Florida in 1955 so I&#8217;ve seen the space program almost from the beginning and it grew up as I did and I&#8217;m proud to have lived long enough to have seen the things I did, met the Astronauts that I have and remember the things that I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 18:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Maybe people donâ€™t understand what test flights are anymore because the Shuttle never had any.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, it did -- around &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;140 of them&lt;/a&gt; -- a fact that the mass media, general public, legislators, and even NASA tended to forget.

In my opinion, companies like Scaled and Blue Origin are right to keep these highly experimental programs secret until they&#039;re successfully tested and flying.  Flight test is hard enough without the overzealous, ambulance-chasing scrutiny of today&#039;s mainstream media.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Maybe people donâ€™t understand what test flights are anymore because the Shuttle never had any.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, it did &#8212; around <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions" rel="nofollow">140 of them</a> &#8212; a fact that the mass media, general public, legislators, and even NASA tended to forget.</p>
<p>In my opinion, companies like Scaled and Blue Origin are right to keep these highly experimental programs secret until they&#8217;re successfully tested and flying.  Flight test is hard enough without the overzealous, ambulance-chasing scrutiny of today&#8217;s mainstream media.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Trujillo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Trujillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article that puts the incident into perspective.

Of course, there was no need for the Challenger comparison. Hyperbolic indeed-- Challenger killed seven people.

Maybe people don&#039;t understand what test flights are anymore because the Shuttle never had any.

Really, it looks like Blue Origin is making good progress, but the case for NewSpace doesn&#039;t benefit from their tight-lipped policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article that puts the incident into perspective.</p>
<p>Of course, there was no need for the Challenger comparison. Hyperbolic indeed&#8211; Challenger killed seven people.</p>
<p>Maybe people don&#8217;t understand what test flights are anymore because the Shuttle never had any.</p>
<p>Really, it looks like Blue Origin is making good progress, but the case for NewSpace doesn&#8217;t benefit from their tight-lipped policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 04:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right Jeff, some people don&#039;t understand what the word &quot;test&quot; means.

To detractors it means if it&#039;s successful, then &quot;it was only a test&quot;.  But if it was a failure, then they are &quot;0 for 0 in launching rockets&quot;.

I guess no one remembers all the Apollo failures.  Over at HobbySpace Clark has a video of the time Armstrong had to punch out of the &quot;Flying Bedstead&quot; lunar lander trainer - but I guess people hear what they want to hear.

At least with successful business people that have deep pockets, these things don&#039;t tend to rattle them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Jeff, some people don&#8217;t understand what the word &#8220;test&#8221; means.</p>
<p>To detractors it means if it&#8217;s successful, then &#8220;it was only a test&#8221;.  But if it was a failure, then they are &#8220;0 for 0 in launching rockets&#8221;.</p>
<p>I guess no one remembers all the Apollo failures.  Over at HobbySpace Clark has a video of the time Armstrong had to punch out of the &#8220;Flying Bedstead&#8221; lunar lander trainer &#8211; but I guess people hear what they want to hear.</p>
<p>At least with successful business people that have deep pockets, these things don&#8217;t tend to rattle them.</p>
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