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		<title>By: Jeff Foust</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2007/11/02/no-lockheed-money-for-planetspace/comment-page-1/#comment-215159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Foust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this conversation has run its course.  Thanks to everyone for participating.

Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this conversation has run its course.  Thanks to everyone for participating.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Buck.Bundy</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2007/11/02/no-lockheed-money-for-planetspace/comment-page-1/#comment-215142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck.Bundy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr.Keith,

I agree with your comments about Canadian Arrow. That company did really significant stuff during X-Prize 1.0. My observations and comments are about PlanetSpace, the company that bought them back in 2005. 

In the spring of 2005 they made a statement that they would fly in 24 months. I was a target they could &quot;easily&quot; attain, according to Geoff Sheerin in their History channel documentary.

They signed their unfunded COTS SAA until January 29th 2007.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/173096main_Planetspace_SAA.pdf

21 or 22 months after their declaration of 24 months till flight.

You&#039;re suggesting that they have an Arrow that&#039;s virtually done and now mothballed because COTS is so important and the extra month or two to complete Arrow isn&#039;t WORTH it?

I don&#039;t buy it. 

I don&#039;t think their Arrow is close to completion. They haven&#039;t shown any pictures or video of any further engine tests of drop tests or flight tests. Come to think of it, They haven&#039;t shown any tests of any kind for either Arrow or their Golden Dart.

Canadian Arrow was fairly secretive about development, but always showed pictures and/or video.

My belief is that Canadian Arrow did that because they had something to show. PlanetSpace does not, therefore no pictures and/or video.

I stand by my observations, it&#039;s a pitty, Canadian Arrow looked promising, PlanetSpace looks like Snake-Oil.

As for their meeting COTS milestones, see my post here;

http://spacefellowship.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=3403

I don&#039;t want to re-type all that.

My $ 0.02 worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr.Keith,</p>
<p>I agree with your comments about Canadian Arrow. That company did really significant stuff during X-Prize 1.0. My observations and comments are about PlanetSpace, the company that bought them back in 2005. </p>
<p>In the spring of 2005 they made a statement that they would fly in 24 months. I was a target they could &#8220;easily&#8221; attain, according to Geoff Sheerin in their History channel documentary.</p>
<p>They signed their unfunded COTS SAA until January 29th 2007.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/173096main_Planetspace_SAA.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/173096main_Planetspace_SAA.pdf</a></p>
<p>21 or 22 months after their declaration of 24 months till flight.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re suggesting that they have an Arrow that&#8217;s virtually done and now mothballed because COTS is so important and the extra month or two to complete Arrow isn&#8217;t WORTH it?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy it. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think their Arrow is close to completion. They haven&#8217;t shown any pictures or video of any further engine tests of drop tests or flight tests. Come to think of it, They haven&#8217;t shown any tests of any kind for either Arrow or their Golden Dart.</p>
<p>Canadian Arrow was fairly secretive about development, but always showed pictures and/or video.</p>
<p>My belief is that Canadian Arrow did that because they had something to show. PlanetSpace does not, therefore no pictures and/or video.</p>
<p>I stand by my observations, it&#8217;s a pitty, Canadian Arrow looked promising, PlanetSpace looks like Snake-Oil.</p>
<p>As for their meeting COTS milestones, see my post here;</p>
<p><a href="http://spacefellowship.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=3403" rel="nofollow">http://spacefellowship.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=3403</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to re-type all that.</p>
<p>My $ 0.02 worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2007/11/02/no-lockheed-money-for-planetspace/comment-page-1/#comment-215127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In terms of addressing your points:
1. COTS IS a big deal! Even unfunded and to say that &quot;anyone could get one&quot; Dont think so!Unfunded COTS is not a gift or some  badge given out to anyone willing to apply...that is just wrong and you know it!So for Planet Space to get that IS having done something :)
2. The idea of some major rift or the Company falling apart is based on your hearsay from supposed &quot;insiders&quot;. If they were true &quot;insiders&quot; why would they delibarately sabatoge the reputation of their own company...that makes no sense!They are not insiders at all...likely some nonsense by a competitor.Persoanlly I think this is some sort of conspiracy to try to sabatoge the Companies credibility.Problem is there arent any facts to back it up....just opinions on a blog :) :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of addressing your points:<br />
1. COTS IS a big deal! Even unfunded and to say that &#8220;anyone could get one&#8221; Dont think so!Unfunded COTS is not a gift or some  badge given out to anyone willing to apply&#8230;that is just wrong and you know it!So for Planet Space to get that IS having done something <img src="http://www.newspacejournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /><br />
2. The idea of some major rift or the Company falling apart is based on your hearsay from supposed &#8220;insiders&#8221;. If they were true &#8220;insiders&#8221; why would they delibarately sabatoge the reputation of their own company&#8230;that makes no sense!They are not insiders at all&#8230;likely some nonsense by a competitor.Persoanlly I think this is some sort of conspiracy to try to sabatoge the Companies credibility.Problem is there arent any facts to back it up&#8230;.just opinions on a blog <img src="http://www.newspacejournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> <img src="http://www.newspacejournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Dr Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not about &quot;blind Faith&quot;
I just object to your spin on it that is based on &quot;hearsay&quot;.You are portraying the company as having been untruthful and misleading and those are NOT FACTS...just opinion!
Why bother with this attack on the companies credibility....perhaps you are a competitor?If not then your opinions are just that...just opinions and rate only as far as the relevance of this blog...which isnt much considering we are the only posters on it :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not about &#8220;blind Faith&#8221;<br />
I just object to your spin on it that is based on &#8220;hearsay&#8221;.You are portraying the company as having been untruthful and misleading and those are NOT FACTS&#8230;just opinion!<br />
Why bother with this attack on the companies credibility&#8230;.perhaps you are a competitor?If not then your opinions are just that&#8230;just opinions and rate only as far as the relevance of this blog&#8230;which isnt much considering we are the only posters on it <img src="http://www.newspacejournal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keith can you offer anything to support your arguments other than blind faith in Planetspace, regardless of their history broken promises and current status?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith can you offer anything to support your arguments other than blind faith in Planetspace, regardless of their history broken promises and current status?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If they are posting on a blog without admitting who they really are and claiming â€œinsider infoâ€ then they are just wanting to feel important and in my books are just â€œâ€Posersâ€!The only ones who REALLY know are not on a blog or forum group.So if that is what you are basing your opinions on there is no credibility in that!&quot;

There are alot of people from the inside who post on blogs and forums...John Carmack, George French(not so much credibility there)guys from Maston, XCOR ....

Again Keith since we are debating thisâ€¦you still have not addressed my questions and comments???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they are posting on a blog without admitting who they really are and claiming â€œinsider infoâ€ then they are just wanting to feel important and in my books are just â€œâ€Posersâ€!The only ones who REALLY know are not on a blog or forum group.So if that is what you are basing your opinions on there is no credibility in that!&#8221;</p>
<p>There are alot of people from the inside who post on blogs and forums&#8230;John Carmack, George French(not so much credibility there)guys from Maston, XCOR &#8230;.</p>
<p>Again Keith since we are debating thisâ€¦you still have not addressed my questions and comments???</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2007/11/02/no-lockheed-money-for-planetspace/comment-page-1/#comment-215063</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree I am not going to fault the individual for wanting to keep his or her anonymity, especial if they might be active in the company. As an example a lot of scams have been blown wide open with anonyms information from the inside.

Again Keith since we are debating this...you still have not addressed my questions and comments???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree I am not going to fault the individual for wanting to keep his or her anonymity, especial if they might be active in the company. As an example a lot of scams have been blown wide open with anonyms information from the inside.</p>
<p>Again Keith since we are debating this&#8230;you still have not addressed my questions and comments???</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2007/11/02/no-lockheed-money-for-planetspace/comment-page-1/#comment-215055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they are posting on a blog without admitting who they really are and claiming &quot;insider info&quot; then they are just wanting to feel important and in my books are just &quot;&quot;Posers&quot;!The only ones who REALLY know are not on a blog or forum group.So if that is what you are basing your opinions on there is no credibility in that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are posting on a blog without admitting who they really are and claiming &#8220;insider info&#8221; then they are just wanting to feel important and in my books are just &#8220;&#8221;Posers&#8221;!The only ones who REALLY know are not on a blog or forum group.So if that is what you are basing your opinions on there is no credibility in that!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have no doubt in the end â€œThose Guys at Planet Spaceâ€ will be redeemed in the end by the results they achieve!&quot;

right! so when do determine the end. 5 years 10 20...You have to look at where you have been to know where you are going. It is all in their track record.
I hope you are not an investor in denial or something. Keith you have to look at this stuff objectively.

And you never answered my last question or addressed any of the points I made.
I know of a Dr.Keith H that used to post on the spacefellowship forum. Is that you. with regards to your comment about &quot;snake oil sheerin&quot; there is one other purpose you forgot and that is it is just funny. I wish I could take credit for this humours handle but that is a title that has been floating around on other forums. Maybe Chariton Sheerin makes more sense.
The industry is full of these types and it would be nice for the altspace industry to maintain some credibility. 

I hope they prove me and others wrong. but Sheern
and company are rapidly moving into the realm of Not-so-flyin Brian status.
I am going to post back on RLV news and see if I can coax this &quot;company insider&quot; to provide some more info. There is even another poster who has a connection in Cape Breton Nova Scotia who has indicated that nothing has happened there yet. Would be nice if there was also some info regarding Ohio as they had plans for that too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have no doubt in the end â€œThose Guys at Planet Spaceâ€ will be redeemed in the end by the results they achieve!&#8221;</p>
<p>right! so when do determine the end. 5 years 10 20&#8230;You have to look at where you have been to know where you are going. It is all in their track record.<br />
I hope you are not an investor in denial or something. Keith you have to look at this stuff objectively.</p>
<p>And you never answered my last question or addressed any of the points I made.<br />
I know of a Dr.Keith H that used to post on the spacefellowship forum. Is that you. with regards to your comment about &#8220;snake oil sheerin&#8221; there is one other purpose you forgot and that is it is just funny. I wish I could take credit for this humours handle but that is a title that has been floating around on other forums. Maybe Chariton Sheerin makes more sense.<br />
The industry is full of these types and it would be nice for the altspace industry to maintain some credibility. </p>
<p>I hope they prove me and others wrong. but Sheern<br />
and company are rapidly moving into the realm of Not-so-flyin Brian status.<br />
I am going to post back on RLV news and see if I can coax this &#8220;company insider&#8221; to provide some more info. There is even another poster who has a connection in Cape Breton Nova Scotia who has indicated that nothing has happened there yet. Would be nice if there was also some info regarding Ohio as they had plans for that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.newspacejournal.com/2007/11/02/no-lockheed-money-for-planetspace/comment-page-1/#comment-215022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Keith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My final comment would be that calling people names &quot;snake oil&quot; certainly wins no credibility in my books.Name calling to prove a point only seems bitter or desparate and serves no purpose.
As far as Insider INfo.....save it for the tabloids because the blogs are thriving on supposed expert or insider opinions but in the BIG picture those dont matter.I have no doubt in the end &quot;Those Guys at Planet Space&quot; will be redeemed in the end by the results they achieve!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My final comment would be that calling people names &#8220;snake oil&#8221; certainly wins no credibility in my books.Name calling to prove a point only seems bitter or desparate and serves no purpose.<br />
As far as Insider INfo&#8230;..save it for the tabloids because the blogs are thriving on supposed expert or insider opinions but in the BIG picture those dont matter.I have no doubt in the end &#8220;Those Guys at Planet Space&#8221; will be redeemed in the end by the results they achieve!</p>
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